Quote: Posted 06/09/08 11:34 (GMT) by Gorwyn87
I don't like racism and religious thoughts as well, but I find it kind of interesting to talk about that topics and maybe to prove her wrong . Especially talking about "god" is always something special. I guess noone really thinks about a giant guy with a long beard anymore, it's more a word for the power that created all this. Liara on the other hand is just too solid and innocent for me, it's kind of boring to talk to her. I'm really curious how the Ashley romance will turn out, for the first time I chose Liara anyway because I'm always playing the good, friendly guy on the first run *g*.

I'm from Germany as well, but if there's something I learned from our well-known past it is to face extreme thoughts instead of simply ignoring them. I strongly believe that humans aren't born as good or evil and that all of their decisions and views in life, in other words all the differences, are based on experiences and influences. Bioware did a good job in showing that so far (I'm mostly doing side missions in hope for a patch for the main story and didn't see much of the real game yet) with this game and Ashley is a well-designed character for that. If reality would turn out the way like in the game I guess that most of the humans would be skeptical about alien races as well. At least if they don't use their guns first *g*.

Just my two cents, my opinion isn't the great correct answer of course, but I wanted to show why I prefer Ashley and that she's definitely not a bad choice for the crew. And if you don't like her there is still a completely different person.

Man, english is so hard for me, I must sound like an idiot .

Edited By bes12000 on 06/09/08 19:37

Quote: Posted 06/07/08 15:40 (GMT) by Chaord Nightshade

Not sure what's the problem everyone has had with Williams I had her in my party most of the time. I like the character myself.

Edited By boytype on 06/09/08 20:48

Quote: Posted 06/09/08 20:36 (GMT) by boytype

i always take her as well.

not only is she tough as nails, but she always has something interesting to say. not always something i agree with ("i cant tell the animals from the aliens"), but very often something entertaining all the same ("nobody lick any poles!").

also, her religiousness has been severely and outrageously overblown in this and other threads.

she mentions in a single conversation that she does in fact believe in a god. period.

she doesnt say shes a catholic, or a muslim, or a hindu, or a scientologistTM, or a follower of the Great Old Ones, or a Buddhist. just says she believes in a god.

she doesnt go around telling everyone they are sinners and preaching about damnation. she doesnt attempt to force her beliefs on anyone else.

her xenophobia is much more prominent. and its understandable that that part people might have a problem with, especially if they misinterpret it as racism.

they did this for a very big reason. throughout the game, but especially near the end game, it becomes obvious just how extremely Xenophobic or Speciesist the human race is in Mass Effect.

throughout Citidel, nearly all the humans mention how glad they are to see another human, or how there are too many aliens.

the Navigator guy on Normandy explains his personal prejudice in detail.

the Terra Prime protest on Citidel at the end forshadows how this will be featured in the second game, and just how prominent it is throughout the human race and on earth.

the whole way from the start to the end of the game, the player is given the option to express extreme Xenophobic or Speciesist personal views, and even commit total genocide of not one but two entire species with the justification that aliens should die.

and finally, Udinas comments in the final conversation tree paint a very, very grim picture of a human dominated fascist regime of Palpatineian magnatude to come, in which humans dominates the other alien races.

so Ashley is a very tame and toned down means to convey to players who do not choose those dialog options or have those views, that they do exist in the game world.

Quote: Posted 06/08/08 05:50 (GMT) by boytype

i just think its cool that they put an evil dead reference in the game at all. <3

Quote: Posted 06/09/08 11:34 (GMT) by Gorwyn87

I don't like racism and religious thoughts as well, but I find it kind of interesting to talk about that topics and maybe to prove her wrong . Especially talking about "god" is always something special. I guess noone really thinks about a giant guy with a long beard anymore, it's more a word for the power that created all this. Liara on the other hand is just too solid and innocent for me, it's kind of boring to talk to her. I'm really curious how the Ashley romance will turn out, for the first time I chose Liara anyway because I'm always playing the good, friendly guy on the first run *g*.

I'm from Germany as well, but if there's something I learned from our well-known past it is to face extreme thoughts instead of simply ignoring them. I strongly believe that humans aren't born as good or evil and that all of their decisions and views in life, in other words all the differences, are based on experiences and influences. Bioware did a good job in showing that so far (I'm mostly doing side missions in hope for a patch for the main story and didn't see much of the real game yet) with this game and Ashley is a well-designed character for that. If reality would turn out the way like in the game I guess that most of the humans would be skeptical about alien races as well. At least if they don't use their guns first *g*.

Quote: Posted 06/10/08 04:45 (GMT) by Ares Draxus

Bruce Campbell definitely needs an appearance in Mass Effect! BRUCE CAMPBELL RULES!

Edited By Incognito JC on 06/10/08 06:09

Edited By narayan512 on 06/10/08 13:02