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I don't think that moving from C-cup to B-cup in the Mass Effect universe is a big moral achievement. It is rather an aesthetic requirement, so that we would take a character seriously. Light armor is basically a catsuit (I can't believe I am typing this). Set a D-cup in a catsuit and you will see, how awkward it will look. Nobody will be able to play a female character without a smile. Trust me. Have you seen Sonja from Ninja Gaiden II? I can't stop laughing, so silly it looks. But then, that game can't be taken seriously. A big achievement of Mass Effect is that they finally created sexy looking armors for men and women and not beer barrels like volus have. | 
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Hal6000
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Quote: Posted 07/25/08 17:31 (GMT) by glitter_guld
I don't think that moving from C-cup to B-cup in the Mass Effect universe is a big moral achievement. It is rather an aesthetic requirement, so that we would take a character seriously. Light armor is basically a catsuit (I can't believe I am typing this). Set a D-cup in a catsuit and you will see, how awkward it will look. Nobody will be able to play a female character without a smile. Trust me. Have you seen Sonja from Ninja Gaiden II? I can't stop laughing, so silly it looks. But then, that game can't be taken seriously. A big achievement of Mass Effect is that they finally created sexy looking armors for men and women and not beer barrels like volus have.
We are speaking the same language, the cup size (big boobs) was mentioned to illustrate certain stereotyphic pheomena, as you might have understood already. | |
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Posted: Sunday, 27 July 2008 11:25PM | |
wen i play a video game that give a choice to chose on male or female ,i chose female,why?because i like undressing then and watching they butt as they walk,but in real life if god give a choice to be male or female i chose male,why?because i like pussy. | |
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 12:47AM | |
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liarafan
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Quote: Posted 07/27/08 23:25 (GMT) by 4love10
wen i play a video game that give a choice to chose on male or female ,i chose female,why?because i like undressing then and watching they butt as they walk,but in real life if god give a choice to be male or female i chose male,why?because i like pussy.
Games like Mass Effect are rated for mature content. Good thing for you its players aren't.
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Quote: Posted 07/18/08 09:43 (GMT) by GODzillaGSPB Quote: Posted 07/17/08 23:57 (GMT) by spectre1022
I agree.If everyone was the same, it would be communism, which basically suppresses all individualism.Besides, i can barely stand myself, why would i want everyone else like me!lol
I cincerely hope this was kinda fun of you, wasn't it? Well I can only say that even in comunism - and I have been living in comunism for 7 years - we weren't all the same.  That may have been the aim of the state which surpressed us, but it wasn't reality.  Quote: Posted 07/17/08 23:51 (GMT) by liarafan
Lesbian, a label created by the humans to give voice to their preference. In the end, what they choose to call it is irrelevant. They simply are.
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Good post, sorry I had to cut it but it's easier to read this way. I agree with all of it...except: Well I don't quite understand how people think that a woman acting "manly" = acting "lesbian". I know some gay men and lesbian women and there are differences in character. There are gay men that have many female attributes and they even act and speak that way. I know it is said to be a prejudgment, but actually it's true because I've seen and heard him and spoke to him. He was quite a nice guy, just with a strong female touch. And it's the same with lesbians. I know two and both are absolutely female. They don't have any manly attributes, they don't dress manly and so on. But they are both very independant and strong personalities, so strong is not manly. In fact I think sometimes women in general are the strong gender. Don't get me wrong, according to your post you're of the same opinion, I just used your post as a "hook" for stating my own opinion. So to sum it up: I think everyone who say that women who behave strong are manly or lesbian are stupid and / or have never had contact with a lesbian woman...or with women at all. 
FFS, there are peeps i know that i would outright stamp as gays and yet they are heteros if i made judgements by simply observing how they act and if would not know better. It's a bit more wider view we all need. Not all men can nor want to fight and some women do much better job with AK-47 than cooking pastries (this as an drastic example). It's not a gender issue, it never was, aside stereotyphics created and worshiped by some.
P.S. When we concider behavior of animals the female of the species is often most dangerous sight when it has cubs, go and try to mess around around with female bear with cubs, you are getting your *** handed over. It will not merely walk away when it sees you, you will be ripped to pieces.Edited By Hal6000 on 07/28/08 02:06 | |
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Pocketgb
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 01:55AM |
For me, Male shep. He just looks so badass in heavy gear, plus the default face is just too darn'd awesome.
I also want to say that I love how completely subjective it is. Here you are, playing as the central character in the ME universe, and there's no "right" way to play him.
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 02:16AM |
Quote: Posted 07/28/08 00:59 (GMT) by liarafan Quote: Posted 07/27/08 23:25 (GMT) by 4love10
wen i play a video game that give a choice to chose on male or female ,i chose female,why?because i like undressing then and watching they butt as they walk,but in real life if god give a choice to be male or female i chose male,why?because i like pussy.
Games like Mass Effect are rated for mature content. Good thing for you its players aren't.
You just got the real answer you asked me for. This isn't really about some higher ideal. It's about tits and a nice little butt to go along with it.
The dynamic here is pretty simple...
Group 1. You have one side going... Ohhh Ahhh look we're "enlightened" isn't it cool!! We're all progessive and crap.
Group 2. You have another going... Oooo Ahhh more tits.
Group 3. You have another going... I don't want my kid's games turning into a nudie bar!
Group 4. Then you have another going... Ooooh that's just not right... god wouldn't approve!
Group 5. Then you have Bioware going...
Hmm lets see, my demographic is 90% men, 10% women, of which a large portion of those women who are playing it are lesbian and/or into the same things men are. And a sizable portion of my audience is European.
Hmm cool I know what will sell like there's no tomorrow... ASARI!!
The original thread was a worthwhile discussion, you got real opinions on why people played one or another heck it even spawned some worthwhile discussion even if abrasive in spots or off topic something could be learned...
... but this one is questionable and looks more like a couple of people pushing an agenda.
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 02:37AM |
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... but this one is questionable and looks more like a couple of people pushing an agenda.
What? Like group 6 that doesn't demand boobs and *** material for wanking phenixes while playing a computer/video game, but credibility in characters?Edited By Hal6000 on 07/28/08 02:54 | |
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Hal6000
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Group 5. Then you have Bioware going...
Hmm lets see, my demographic is 90% men, 10% women, of which a large portion of those women who are playing it are lesbian and/or into the same things men are. And a sizable portion of my audience is European.
Whatta hell is this? Based on what?Edited By Hal6000 on 07/28/08 03:16 | |
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 03:51AM |
Quote: Posted 07/28/08 02:16 (GMT) by Phoenixus Quote: Posted 07/28/08 00:59 (GMT) by liarafan Quote: Posted 07/27/08 23:25 (GMT) by 4love10
wen i play a video game that give a choice to chose on male or female ,i chose female,why?because i like undressing then and watching they butt as they walk,but in real life if god give a choice to be male or female i chose male,why?because i like pussy.
Games like Mass Effect are rated for mature content. Good thing for you its players aren't.
You just got the real answer you asked me for. This isn't really about some higher ideal. It's about tits and a nice little butt to go along with it. The dynamic here is pretty simple... Group 1. You have one side going... Ohhh Ahhh look we're "enlightened" isn't it cool!! We're all progessive and crap. Group 2. You have another going... Oooo Ahhh more tits. Group 3. You have another going... I don't want my kid's games turning into a nudie bar! Group 4. Then you have another going... Ooooh that's just not right... god wouldn't approve! Group 5. Then you have Bioware going... Hmm lets see, my demographic is 90% men, 10% women, of which a large portion of those women who are playing it are lesbian and/or into the same things men are. And a sizable portion of my audience is European. Hmm cool I know what will sell like there's no tomorrow... ASARI!! The original thread was a worthwhile discussion, you got real opinions on why people played one or another heck it even spawned some worthwhile discussion even if abrasive in spots or off topic something could be learned... ... but this one is questionable and looks more like a couple of people pushing an agenda.
I think I'm finally getting a glimpse into that 'agenda' you keep saying people are pushing. :)
A funny observation I made while reading this thread, is that at times I see the "Oooo Ahhh more tits" posts being associated with honesty somehow; and, conversely, that hence anything reeking of 'enlightened' must be a form of dissembling. It's almost experienced as a sense of relief, even: a 'finally someone admitting he is just in it for the titties' reaction, if you will. The part you're probably not gonna like, is that people who are so inclined to think are likely at the same 'titty' level they equate with honesty (or therefore equate with honesty, I should say). To them the 'enlightened' stuff sounds like, well, 'crap', as you put it.
I'd say, roughly spoken, the groups you mention exist. Problem with them, though, is really their lack of granularity and confluence. For instance, I am, my own self, decidedly not in group 2-5. Nor am I in group 1... not exclusively, at least. Allow me to explain. I'll give ya the short, short version.
In Jean Piaget style 'legacy' cognitive psychology, growth occurs in four distinct stages: you leave stage 2, proceed to nr. 2, etc. Ken Wilber, for one, understood that, to quote the man, "therefore a transpersonal or spiritual stage of development in one line (say, cognition) can occur simultaneously with a personal or psychological stage in another line (say, morality)--so that 'spiritual' and 'psychological' growth, in the various developmental lines, are occurring alongside of each other, and not stacked on top of each other like so many bricks." Simply put: it's entirely possible to be 'enlightened' in one area, whilst still behind in development in other areas ('behind' only relative to oneself, of course). In Buddhism there's a saying akin to that principle, which states most people occupy both 'heaven' and 'hell' at the same time.
So, where am I? I'm in group 1, for sure... and in group 2. Though I would shy away from words like 'enlightened' to describe myself, I'd nonetheless like to think I've risen above the level of the most basic human instincts... Or have I? Because that's precisely the point: while I love role-playing Femshep for what you might call 'lofty' reasons, such as exploring compassion, empathy, a wider range of emotion, etc., I'm also still a man. A notch above the 'titties' level, I'd like to believe, but still very much into Femshep being pretty. I think she's stunningly gorgeous, and have repeatedly posted such -- so much even, LOL, that it's nearing the venerable status of 'mantra'. :)
If I read you correctly (and I'm pretty sure I do), you believe both such states cannot be true at the same time; and that, accordingly, one must be a deception of sorts (the 'enlightened' part, no doubt). But I'm here to tell you I'm truly, to borrow a line from Plato, a citizen of two worlds; of multiple worlds, actually, but to pick the extremes: I'm in the loftier spheres, and I'm in the coarser, lower spheres of the material world, all simultaneously. And I'm the happier for it. I could not abide to live in utter shallowness any more than I could stand to never be able to glance at Femshep again and find her oh-so attractive.
So, let's close that 'agenda' thingy, shall we? In fact, far as I'm concerned, it was never open to begin with.
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 04:46AM |
Quote: So, let's close that 'agenda' thingy, shall we? In fact, far as I'm concerned, it was never open to begin with.
It was opened the moment this started with people pushing it.
I would much rather just see the topic itself start over without the agenda from it's basis, and let the topic flow where it may. Because more will be learned no matter how ugly it may be.
On a side note...
About Buddhism/Hinduism (and other spin offs):
I know you've read it, but did you ever really understand it? Those lessons are not about living here, but rather in the leaving of here. The Buddhists and Hindus long understood that those lessons could not and would never be implemented in the physical world without disturbing life as a whole, because they simply cannot in a world where survival was the key to life which will accrue Karma.
The idea behind them is incarnate in each different form learning the lessons of that form. But trying to change that form meant failing to learn the lessons of that form. Failing to truly live that incarnation due to past life memories being too strong was a weakness of the soul to be overcome... not embraced because it means you will never truly understand what it meant to be that. It is only when you have been all those things that you can apply those lessons of Karma and.... leave this world by in essence moving all parts of the non-physical into the highest modadic essence.
That's what that's really about and why there is no heaven or hell in religions of that nature. But dodging those lessons by trying to be something that wasn't intended by that form is not something to be embraced unless you are trying to leave this world, not live in it.
While this is a simplification of many things it is the essence of those religions that believe in Reincarnation.
Perhaps you should consider this, and consider that "ugliness" you may despise has it's purpose and needs to exist.
For my part, I'd rather we went back to the "Which one do you prefer to play" minus the agenda, and just let the discussion flow from there.
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 10:01AM |
Quote: Posted 07/28/08 02:16 (GMT) by Phoenixus
Group 5. Then you have Bioware going...
Hmm lets see, my demographic is 90% men, 10% women, of which a large portion of those women who are playing it are lesbian and/or into the same things men are. And a sizable portion of my audience is European.
Hmm cool I know what will sell like there's no tomorrow... ASARI!!
Huh. That's a candidate for one of the most appalling things I've read on the forums. A round of applause for this sir.
First off, were *did* you pull out those statistics? A quick google will tell you 40% of recorded gamers are, in fact, women (My source was Ezine Articles) and whilst indeed, a large proportion of those might be lesbian, we could go wild and crazy and say that if a straight woman can play a lesbian character, a lesbian woman can play a straight character. They are not some weird demographic whose brains work differently from anyone else. An individual can choose what a characters preferences are, and as we can function at a level were we can see past our own, there is never going to be a set statement of 'All homosexuals will always play a homosexual character.'
I'm not even going to touch the ridiculous statement that female gamers have male qualities/interests because they play games.
On a side note, Europeans do not scamper around looking for the nearest lesbian to oggle at. Hip and liberal as we are. Just a heads up
As a more general thing, can a woman playing as Femshep, a man playing as Manshep and vise versa really be accused of having an agenda? You have to play as both genders to get the most out of the game anyway. It only starts being questionable when the player refuses to play the opposite gender just because. | |
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Posted: Monday, 28 July 2008 01:10PM |
Quote: Posted 07/28/08 04:46 (GMT) by Phoenixus
About Buddhism/Hinduism (and other spin offs):
I know you've read it, but did you ever really understand it?
Oh, I'm fair familiar. :)
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Those lessons are not about living here, but rather in the leaving of here. The Buddhists and Hindus long understood that those lessons could not and would never be implemented in the physical world without disturbing life as a whole, because they simply cannot in a world where survival was the key to life which will accrue Karma.
Around the time of the Upanishad, Brahmana influence was prevalent in India. The Brahmana believed that an end to suffering could be achieved by regaining the blissful state of their Brahman. Their thinking is at the very root of the whole idea of detachment. When Siddhartha Gautama was born -- later called the 'Buddha' (meaning: 'Enlightened One' or 'Awakened One') -- he understood that the traditional Brahmana way as too rigid. Buddha introduced what Buddhism is best known for today, the Middle Path. which neither promotes extreme asceticism nor absolute hedonism, yet still leads to Nirvana. In the Gospel of Philip, for instance, there's a saying expressing the same:
"Do not fear the essence of the flesh, nor love it. If you are accustomed to fear it, it will become your master; if you are accustomed to love it, it will devour and strangle you."
I firmly believe that. To become too detached from the world is just another way of being equally obsessed with it. Buddha rightly understood this. His Middle Path I simply find working in my own life, which I tried to explain to you in my previous installment. I neither fear sexuality, not allow it to overtake me. That's honestly not such a frightful state of being.
Especially for the time we're still encased in our mortal coil, Buddha developed his Eightfold Path. So, how you can claim to know a thing or two about Buddhism, and still say, "Those lessons are not about living here," is, quite frankly, a mite odd.
Question remains, of course, Why do you keep bringing up Buddhism? It's got nothing to do, whats-o-frakkin'-ever, with the subject at hand. Seems there's an agenda being pushed alright.
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Perhaps you should consider this, and consider that "ugliness" you may despise has it's purpose and needs to exist.
LOL. You can't have your cookie and it eat. :) I thought we were all in it for the looks? And that 'admitting' such was being truly honest. Or, are you now suddenly in it for physical 'ugliness'? Try and make up your mind as to which side of the coin you support, please.
Besides, who ever said physical 'ugliness' has no place in the world? Certainly wasn't me. That matter is simply entirely off-topic here. If you want to open your own thread about Buddhism, feel free to do so, of course. I might even join in from now and then; but I fail to see a place for it in this thread.
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For my part, I'd rather we went back to the "Which one do you prefer to play" minus the agenda, and just let the discussion flow from there.
Discussion was flowing just fine, having momentum and direction all of its own, until you apparently decided to question its direction.
Quote: Posted 07/28/08 04:46 (GMT) by Phoenixus Quote: So, let's close that 'agenda' thingy, shall we? In fact, far as I'm concerned, it was never open to begin with.
It was opened the moment this started with people pushing it.
Uhm, what agenda would that be exactly? Gotta ask. You've been cryptic about it for so long. And what's all this European stuff? Are you, perchance, inferring we're all left-wing 'liberals' with agenda's about lesbianism to push? LOL, never occured to me. You know, it really works best if you just express, plainly, what you're referring to.
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I would much rather just see the topic itself start over without the agenda from it's basis, and let the topic flow where it may. Because more will be learned no matter how ugly it may be.
Indeed, let's allow the topic to flow where it may go. So, no more undue trying to steer the direction of the discussion, okay?
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