DeerSlayer084
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 Posted: Friday, 06 November 2009 06:00PM |
It is possible that vigil was mistaken (or lied) and the reapers don't hibernate in dark space. What if they are actually going to other galaxies to do the same thing? Maybe that is part of the reason for the long wait, they wipe out multiple galaxies. Maybe 50,000ish years is how long it takes them to complete their cycle and return to our galaxy. Of course that doesn't really help to understand WHY they kill all organics. I like the idea that they are following the orders of something greater. Or maybe it really is so simple as they need resources. Maybe they run off of something that only organics create.
I also have a theory as to why they wait for life to become so advanced before they come in to wipe us out. It just makes it easier for them. Once we get settled in on the citadel and use the relay network we leave information that allows them to find us (like it says in the game). This way they don't have search for us. Lazy Reapers!
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Nightwriter
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Posted: Friday, 06 November 2009 11:52PM |
That is a pretty great reason for why they wait for us to advance: convenience. They'd have to wait for us to grow far enough technologically where we can reach into their trap. That is lazy. Easy, but lazy.
As for apex, LuminousLupine – well, when Sov (yes, Sov it is - now I just have to find a shorter way to say your name) said that they were "cut down at their apex", I didn’t take “apex” to mean “as high as they could possibly go”. I thought it was just, “as high as they were able to get before they were wiped out”.
Know what I mean? A civilization’s apex can’t really be identified until after it’s destroyed. Who knows how much farther the Protheans would’ve gotten if the Reapers hadn’t come? A lot farther, I think.
I’m not sure the Reapers are all out there waiting for us to reach our apex; they cannot know when that point will come, and if they could, I would imagine they would want to stop us from getting there.
I think they’re all out there waiting for us to reach that sweet spot, that place where we’ve gotten far enough but not too far. Then they attack.
By the way: “Why they attack theory #781”… Lol! Thanks for the laugh. That should be our forum motto. |
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LuminousLupine
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 01:56AM |
A new name for me? 'Your lordship'?  I joke.
I've been called 'LL' before and that works. I used to go by 'PantheraLeo' (lion) or 'Luminous' (light, iirc) (It's not Latin proper, but 'Light Wolf' here is the meaning) to name a few of my aliases. They were shortened to 'pan' or 'lumi', so 'LL' works just fine.
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I'm going to skip over your post, DeerSlayer084, you'll see why in a second. I say the reapers are have a God complex because they do feel they have the right to judge us, and say we are at our Apex.
Though in fairness, Rome was dead along before it's actual death. Though it's on tract for the prophesied 'New Roman Empire'.
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I knew they set the trap in Citadel Station (still love the System Shock reference  ), but I never considered it because they where lazy. That's a good point! Something else just occurred to me ... As far as we know they've only gone after the 'Citadel' races!
They left humanity, and everyone else. The only races we know of that occupied Citadel Station ( ) have every been culled! Maybe it's not merely a trap, but a testing ground, with failure being death?
Quote: "Rudementry creates of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."
"...You exist because we allow it. You will end because we demand it."
Theory #783! (DeerSlayer084 has '2')
What if Sov is not a watchman, but a judge? The Legacy of some long lost thing detrimental to prevent whatever mistake they made from happening again?
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Theory #784!
What if they're a tool by the collectors to determine someone's fitness to be collected? Humanity stops them, Humanity get put in a jar!
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DeerSlayer084
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 03:38AM |
Quote: Posted 11/07/09 01:56 (GMT) by LuminousLupine A new name for me? 'Your lordship'? I joke. I've been called 'LL' before and that works. I used to go by 'PantheraLeo' (lion) or 'Luminous' (light, iirc) (It's not Latin proper, but 'Light Wolf' here is the meaning) to name a few of my aliases. They were shortened to 'pan' or 'lumi', so 'LL' works just fine. ------- I'm going to skip over your post, DeerSlayer084, you'll see why in a second. I say the reapers are have a God complex because they do feel they have the right to judge us, and say we are at our Apex. Though in fairness, Rome was dead along before it's actual death. Though it's on tract for the prophesied 'New Roman Empire'. ------- I knew they set the trap in Citadel Station (still love the System Shock reference ), but I never considered it because they where lazy. That's a good point! Something else just occurred to me ... As far as we know they've only gone after the 'Citadel' races! They left humanity, and everyone else. The only races we know of that occupied Citadel Station ( ) have every been culled! Maybe it's not merely a trap, but a testing ground, with failure being death? Quote: "Rudementry creates of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."
"...You exist because we allow it. You will end because we demand it."
Theory #783! (DeerSlayer084 has '2') What if Sov is not a watchman, but a judge? The Legacy of some long lost thing detrimental to prevent whatever mistake they made from happening again? Edit: Theory #784! What if they're a tool by the collectors to determine someone's fitness to be collected? Humanity stops them, Humanity get put in a jar!
Lol, i like Theory #784. That does mean the collectors have put up with a lot of failures though. Oh, they might have some protheans since they helped stop the reapers. What if the scientists didn't die on the citadel but were collected instead.
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ThatGuy117117
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 11:54AM |
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They are running from Chuck Norris. Edited By ThatGuy117117 on 11/07/09 11:55 |
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Nightwriter
Joined: 12 Oct 2009 |
Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 01:24PM |
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Hang on, how old are the Collectors? As old as the Reapers? If that's true, then they'd have to be ancient. Are you guys saying the Reapers and the Collectors have always worked together? Do you know how long each individual Collector lives? |
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DeerSlayer084
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 04:44PM |
Quote: Posted 11/07/09 13:24 (GMT) by Nightwriter
Hang on, how old are the Collectors? As old as the Reapers? If that's true, then they'd have to be ancient. Are you guys saying the Reapers and the Collectors have always worked together? Do you know how long each individual Collector lives?
1,000,000 years
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Nightwriter
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 05:14PM |
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Then they're not as old as the Reapers. |
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LuminousLupine
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 08:49PM |
Only by a year! That's no reason to judge!
(must ... not ... let ... thread ... die ... out)
I'm all but tapped  I need more 'food for thought'. Hmm...shameless narcissism in the Mass Effect 2 thread?
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Nightwriter
Joined: 12 Oct 2009 |
Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 09:00PM |
Lol. Yeah, I saw your new thread in the ME 2 forum. Thanks for the reference! I'll be sure to post on your forum, as well  .
So it's time we talked about the connections between the Reapers and the Collectors, because we know there is one. New ideas? Here's an injection.
Theory 1: The Collectors are behind, and are currently controlling, the Reapers.
This is the most popular theory.
How could the Collectors control the Reapers? After all, they're only organic. I cannot understand the Reapers ever allying themselves with organics - organics are scum to them. Why would the Reapers ever help them? And if the Collectors created the Reapers, where have they been while the Reapers hibernated huge chunks of time away?
Why would the Collectors want to destroy wave after wave of organic life? If they "collect" bits of all these races, why do they destroy them afterward? |
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LuminousLupine
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Posted: Saturday, 07 November 2009 11:34PM |
Quote: Posted 11/07/09 21:00 (GMT) by Nightwriter
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This is the most popular theory.
Why would the Collectors want to destroy wave after wave of organic life? If they "collect" bits of all these races, why do they destroy them afterward?
It is a trilogy. Maybe they don't want to per say. Maybe they're part of the same machine the Reapers are, and they cover their tracks with or like the reapers to keep their cover? Maybe they can't hibernate in dark space like the Reapers and have to keep a low profile or be attacked before they're ready? Maybe they don't destroy them when given the time. Maybe they take whole sections intact?
All we know is that the reapers attacked the protheans, and the ones at Ilos when into hibernation. We don't actually know how their empire died, just that it's dead.
A great deal of what the reapers do is a mystery unless there is some other part(s) to it all.
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Nightwriter
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:57AM |
Yeah, I can see how that might be true, them having to keep a lower profile than the Reapers because they can't hibernate, or them being a separate arm of the Reapers. Nice.
BTW, I'm moving all my further Collector talk to your thread in the ME2 forum  . |
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MrChaol
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 11:07AM |
Maybe because they are programmed to annihilate us? Or maybe they just want to show how highly advanced they are compared to other races. The motives are endless. Asking a human about it will lead to no answer.
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UpDownLeftRight
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 03:52PM |
Why do people believe that the Reapers try to wipe out organic existance then taking a rest for 50.000 years before returning?
Nowhere is that stated. The reason that is given for the 50.000 year "springbreak" is because of the Prothean scientists who traveled from Ilos to the citadel and "hacked" into the Citadel Master Control Unit.
Don't forget that the Keepers "suddenly" got a program update telling them to ignore "Reaper protocol".Edited By UpDownLeftRight on 11/08/09 15:56 |
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LuminousLupine
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 03:53PM |
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 01:57 (GMT) by Nightwriter ... BTW, I'm moving all my further Collector talk to your thread in the ME2 forum .
Fine! Jump ship!  and when you come back here when the peaces start fitting together ... I'll still warmly say hello!
I don't know about it being pointless. There have been some solid theory that, I've sadly tried to shoot down, but there have also been some solid theory that made me rethink of great many things. I think I've gotten a fair insight into Sov's head that allowed me to narrow it down considerably, (or I could just be over analyzing thing, and spinning my wheels).
I think the Reaper and the Collectors have a story connection or at least had one. Too much doesn't fit together without it.
Edit: For example, Why did Sov allow things to get so out of control he had to rush head long into his death at Citadel Station?
He had any number of opportunities to take Shepard out, wait for things to cool off, and smoothly sneak into Citadel Station with no one the wiser! Why the rush?
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