lewis_1306
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 Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 12:46AM |
I just finished watching this 9 minute preview of ME2:
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after watching the Garrus footage and reading various articles and FAQs about ME2 I began to get a clearer picture of what the ME2 dev team is planning to do in regards to ME1 squadmates and their role in ME2.
Tali is already a confirmed squadmate. (shout out to all the hardcore Tali fans, i'm sure you guys are thrilled)
So where does that leave the fans of the other squadmates? well, the dev team already confirmed that all of the squadmates from ME1 will have a role in ME2.
now, I have been reading pages and pages on this forum filled with concerned ME1 fans worried that their favorite squadmates from ME1 will not have a role in ME2.
I really don't think that will be the case.
Come on people this is BIOWARE we are talking about.
with the exception of the 2nd ME1 DLC(pinnicle station)... has Bioware ever dissapointed us with an RPG release?
The only reason that people are so upset about the prospect of not having their ME1 squadmates in ME2 is because the dev team did such a great job in creating characters in ME1 that fans really connected with.
some people on this forum talk about their love interest from ME1 as if they have a real relationship with the character. they use words like "Bioware betrayed us" and "I refuse to buy ME2 if my love interest isn't included as a recruitable squad member".
wow.
kudos to the ME1 dev team for inspiring such passion. Great story telling and character development.
The same dev team that created these squad members is basically saying: "look, we gave you garrus, we gave you wrex, we gave you Ashley etc... we are telling you that you will LOVE some of these new characters just as much if not more."
the Mass Effect Dev team has been actively working to create an all around better game this time around - graphics, combat, gameplay and story - They want you to be happy. The Mass Effect team wants to bring in new people AND they want to improve on what they did with ME1 - that's the goal. they have been honing their craft for the past two years and focussing on how to deliver an even better story than they did in ME1.
deeper, more complex characters. more interesting storylines. better diologue.
bigger, better, more. that's what thet are trying to do here in terms of story, characters and combat gameplay.
can we have a little faith here people?
the CREATORS of the ME1 characters that we are so passionate about are basically asking you yo have a little faith.
us fans would not be on here complaing about our characters if bioware didn't know how to create great, engaging characters and tell great, engaging stories in the first place.
in addition to Tali, I am thinking that at least one more member from the ME1 squad will also be a recruitable squad member in ME2. who? your guess is as good as mine.
even if your favorate squad member or love interest is not a squad member, that does NOT mean that they cant have a satisfying role in ME2.
take the Garrus clip for example.
Garrus has great Diologue with Sheperd.
Garrus fights along side Shepard almost as if he is part of your squad.
Garrus is fully concious of all of the decisions that you made in ME1.
what more can you ask for?
If all of the ME1 Squadmembers get the same treatment then I don't understand how any fan of ME1 can feel like they got wronged in any way.
we get to fight along side and have diologue with our ME1 squadmates in a meaningful way. our squadmates from ME1 impact the plot and story in ME2 in a significant way (whether they are an actual recruitable squadmate or not) AND we get the opportunity to meet ALL new characters that are AT LEAST as interesting and engaging as their ME1 couterparts.
it's like having your cake and eating it too.... but I guess their is just no pleasing some people.
Am I the only fan of ME1 that approves of the ME2 dev team's treatment of the ME1 Squadmates? |
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Agamo45
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 12:58AM |
I agree with you, i think this whole charade about the ME1 squad-mates is being blown out of proportion. I mean, they showed Garrus, obviously they have similar things in store for Wrex, Ashley/Kaiden, and maybe Liara.
Yes I'll miss them, especially Wrex, but I'm also excited about the new squad.The posters who are complaining aren't really giving them a chance. It just wouldn't make sense if the whole ME1 squad stuck around with you for the whole trilogy. They have things of their own to do. |
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kalivon
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:09AM |
First off if i see "am i the only one?" one more time i sware i am going to go on a freaken rampage. No! you are not the only one. You are not special in any way, and there is plenty of people that think like you. Another thing, I believe everyone has every right to complain about previous squad members not being a squad mate in the next game or have meaningful roles. We do have the right of speech so we have a right to voice our concerns.
Oh, yeah i also hate it when people say "this is bioware you shouldn't worry". Sure they haven't given us much reason to doubt them, but every company makes huge mistakes eventually, and this game might be their 1st one you never know.
I also think the romance interest is a very important part to the story, and getting rid of the 1st romance interest would be a very stupid move on Bioware's part because that would ruin some continuity and break part of their promise that choices will affect future ME games.
I honestly believe Bioware will do almost everything right especially with our ME1 squad mates. I don't have much worries, but i just wanted to mention some concerns people have that might come true that I hope doesn't come true.
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IccaRa
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:24AM |
Trust me, you're far from the only one. 
And honestly, why do some people want their favorite ME1 peeps back as squad members? It's a suicide mission. There's a chance he/she is going to be killed off, whether in a plot choice (a la Virmire) or at the end as a result of missing something somewhere. And with those extra variables floating around his/her role in ME3 would be even more up in the air. Not to say non-squad characters are safe from the ax, but I'd prefer my homeboys to be snuggled safely in "important and relevant cameo/NPC" land than "you know they's can die in a sizeable chunk of savegames" land.
Which is what makes liking these new faces so bittersweet. Le sigh. 
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Hermia S
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:35AM |
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 01:24 (GMT) by IccaRa
And honestly, why do some people want their favorite ME1 peeps back as squad members? It's a suicide mission.
This is exactly what I was going to say! I love those guys and - don't get me wrong - I'd love to have them with me the entire time I'm playing, but I'd rather have Kaidan tucked safely away instead of right there with me where he can be killed off without a moment's notice.
That said, if he actually ends up being a squadie, I won't mind... |
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Cusmar350
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:43AM |
I agree completely with you! I look forward to exploring the new stories given by my new squad members.
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Revan312
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:45AM |
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 01:09 (GMT) by kalivon
I also think the romance interest is a very important part to the story, and getting rid of the 1st romance interest would be a very stupid move on Bioware's part because that would ruin some continuity and break part of their promise that choices will affect future ME games.
Not that I find a fault in anyone's belief that their romance option is important, but really, that aspect of the game seemed pretty tacked on. Whether you have a relationship with them or not doesn't really have any bearing on the game in any way. All it is, to me anyway, is a little side dialogue that progresses after each planet. Sure, with ME2 and ME3 they could make it more important, but concerning strictly ME1, the romance is pretty shallow.
About the squadmates issue, as long as Bioware creates a compelling story that ties up its own ends than I really won't care how they implement the squad from ME1. Cameos, full squadmates, doesn't matter, just so long as its written well and makes sense, whatever works best IMO.
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Shavon
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 01:51AM |
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 01:43 (GMT) by Cusmar350
I agree completely with you! I look forward to exploring the new stories given by my new squad members.
I'm beginning to agree. But I still think the love interest should be more of a significant return than a cameo. 
Still, Thane and Miranda, I am so looking forward to them that it probably won't matter once I actually get playing.
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armass
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:02AM |
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I don't mind them being off, as long as we get a few as squadmates. And that they have meaningful parts as cameos. Not just a quick out of place, hi Shepard and off. Also would be garnd to continue your love story with your intrest. I can't see why they couldn't make it possible. |
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lewis_1306
Joined: 14 Sep 2008 |
Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:07AM |
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 01:09 (GMT) by kalivon
First off if i see "am i the only one?" one more time i sware i am going to go on a freaken rampage. No! you are not the only one. You are not special in any way, and there is plenty of people that think like you. Another thing, I believe everyone has every right to complain about previous squad members not being a squad mate in the next game or have meaningful roles. We do have the right of speech so we have a right to voice our concerns.
Oh, yeah i also hate it when people say "this is bioware you shouldn't worry". Sure they haven't given us much reason to doubt them, but every company makes huge mistakes eventually, and this game might be their 1st one you never know.
I also think the romance interest is a very important part to the story, and getting rid of the 1st romance interest would be a very stupid move on Bioware's part because that would ruin some continuity and break part of their promise that choices will affect future ME games.
of course I don't think i'm the only one. I was saying that for effect. It's a figure of speech. I know i'm not special in any way. lol
I'm not saying that they never make mistakes, but I do think that the past work they have done has earned them the benifit of the doubt.
i don't theink they are "getting rid" of the ME1 romance interest. Just because they are not a recruitable squadmate doesn't mean that they can't fight along side you or have a meaningful impact on the plot and the story. additionally, who's to say that the love interests won't be a recruitable squadmate in ME2. it's still a possibility. all i'm saying is that a love interest from ME1 not being a full-on recruitable squad member in ME2 should not be a reason to not buy ME2
"I honestly believe Bioware will do almost everything right especially with our ME1 squad mates. I don't have much worries, but i just wanted to mention some concerns people have that might come true that I hope doesn't come true."
I respect and value your opinion. We're all on the same side here anyway. I really hope that all of us fans really love ME2. I am an optimist. I hope that all of the concerns that us Mass effect fans have are addressed and that they are happy with the final outcome.Edited By lewis_1306 on 11/08/09 02:11 |
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MEaholic
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:10AM |
the galaxy is HUGE! how the hell will shepard end up randomly running into all his former squadmates.
shepard: where the heck am i right now. i think were lost.
wrex: hey shepard its me wrex.
shepard: oh man i just ran into ashley, then liara, and i saw garrus on another plant. this is weird dude!
ach whataver ME2 is going to be awesome. |
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PiercedMonk
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:23AM |
I'm alright with the crew from 'Mass Effect' not being quiet so prominent the second go about. Hell, my favourite squadmate was Tali, and I'm more concerned with why she is part of the team than I would have been with why she isn't. That said, I figure BioWare will provide a plausible reason, so I'm not about to get my underpants in a bunch about it.
That said, I do understand this idea that people want to see their favourite characters return. I want to see my favourite characters return as well. Which is why I refuse to purchase 'Mass Effect 2' until I have confirmation that Jolee Bindo and Minsc are recrutiable squad members. I don't even care if the folks at BioWare provide even a hint of an explination as to how this could possibly happen, or if it fits the story they're building.
No Jolee Bindo and Minsc (and Boo!) = No purchase.
I might add Shale to that list as well, but I think I'd be content if he could later be added as DLC. |
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Shotokanguy
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:25AM |
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Yes. You're the only one in the whole world. You're all alone. |
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Valente11
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:26AM |
I'm with the OP one this one. I am a ME1 fan and I like what they're doing with the story(including the squadmates, they pertain to the story).
I've seen a lot of, "Why can't they just come along, they could fit it into the story" or "why does my paragon shepard HAVE to work with cerberus?" Well, I'm of the opinion that that's what makes a good STORY. Putting a character into a situation where he/she would have to make difficult decisions causes oonflict, and you can see how a character grows outside of their comfort zone. Not many people (i imagine) wants to see a "Paladin", doing happy paladin good deeds and never having to make hard decisions because he always does the right thing! A story like that would quickly turn hackneyed, boring, melodramatic, stereotypical etc..
So why do I like the fact that the squadmates are not all coming back? Because it adds to the story, the conflict, it adds to the mystery and it opens the door to new characters (who I am seeing are VERY different and more dark, which is great). IF they stay through the entire trilogy, the potential for growth is limited, there is only so much of a character you can stand before it gets boring. Again this is from a story standpoint, some people may prefer this, but then again some people prefer many different things...
Also, it's entirely possible that the characters absent from ME1 could make a comeback in ME3, which in my eyes, would be way more epic seeing as they were missed during the 2nd game.Edited By Valente11 on 11/08/09 02:27 |
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Revan312
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Posted: Sunday, 08 November 2009 02:30AM |
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 02:23 (GMT) by PiercedMonk
That said, I do understand this idea that people want to see their favourite characters return. I want to see my favourite characters return as well. Which is why I refuse to purchase 'Mass Effect 2' until I have confirmation that Jolee Bindo and Minsc are recrutiable squad members. I don't even care if the folks at BioWare provide even a hint of an explination as to how this could possibly happen, or if it fits the story they're building.
No Jolee Bindo and Minsc (and Boo!) = No purchase.
I might add Shale to that list as well, but I think I'd be content if he could later be added as DLC.
 good stab at the "I'm not gonna play unless Liara/Ash/Kaiden is recruit-able" crowd. I agree, if they don't botch the story and craft an enjoyable epic, then who cares if the ME1 squad members are recruited in ME2, so long as they're given a role to play that's decent.
Quote: Posted 11/08/09 02:26 (GMT) by Valente11
Also, it's entirely possible that the characters absent from ME1 could make a comeback in ME3, which in my eyes, would be way more epic seeing as they were missed during the 2nd game.
I've thought about that as well, having an ME1 squadmate return as a plot element in ME3 would be wicked, not seeing them for years and suddenly there they are. Maybe even as a villain, that would be even more of a twist. Liara was working for Saren and the reapers all along and was just studying you, getting close, and now knows how to stop your plan to destroy the reapers, lol.
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